what do you do with defense spending? what do you do with nondefense spending? >> and something needs to be done with all three things that you just mentioned, correct? >> yes. >> something really significant, correct? >> but it doesn't mean take medicare, it doesn't mean raising the medicare age. >> why not? >> because i'll tell you, i was in yun in youngstown a year or so ago. a woman who had no insurance said to me, she said -- she was 63 years old -- she just said i just need to live a year and a half more so i can get on medicare and get health insurance. >> right. so maybe the age doesn't raise for her, but what about for others? why can't you guys come up with a framework that works now? >> means testing. there's this whole view that 70-year-olds -- >> we're not saying that. >> no, but somewhere it was social security at 70, 67, now you raise it another year. people that work in a diner, people that are on their feet all day long in retail or construction or manufacturing, you know, all of us can work till we're 70, perhaps, god willing. >> so means testi